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		<title>By: Orion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An awesome, revealing post as always. I&#039;ve felt your frustration over the distance from Pi for several months now. As I&#039;ve benefited from the incredibly intense conversation with both of you during that time, I&#039;m very glad to see that you two are able to engage more deeply. It&#039;ll be a great benefit to the both of you, as Pi will help erode your attachments to concepts and you&#039;ll help open him up to more fully enjoy the Relative world.

An interesting note that not too many people are aware of. The bulk of this post took place very late in the evening of February 13th and you and Z broke up early in the morning of February 14th, which just so happens to be my birthday. That very same morning, about 8 am, I was across town in bed with my fiancee having a very unusual conversation. I, too, do not recall the details of the conversation, but something in my words caused her to ask me if i was breaking up with her. Unlike Kitty, I said no, but I did acknowledge that I did not know if one could be in a committed relationship and fully take on the detachment required to become Liberated. Three weeks later I ended up breaking up with her so that Kitty and I could attempt to become Spiritual Partners with the understanding that our personal spiritual paths would take precedence over our newly formed relationship. While it might have seemed a naive prospect back then, we have shown that one can be in a committed, loving relationship and still burn through ourselves in our unraveling. IMNSHO, we are one of the most loving couples that I know of and yet we are genuinely more detached from each other than the myriad traditional couples out there.

What this post does not address, but she does address in other posts, is Kitty&#039;s blind trust in moving forward by breaking up with Z without any understanding from me that I would do the same. By February 14th, Kitty and I had only known each other for five weeks and we had no explicit agreement or understanding that we would be breaking up with people whom we dearly loved in order to make this incredible new bond. She did so on her own volition and it was three weeks later before I parted ways with a woman that I was incredibly in love with. 

From the outside it may appear that I left one woman for another and that she left Z for me, but Kitty and I know that the real story is about how we sacrificed two loving relationships for our SPIRITUAL PATHS, not to leave and have another traditional relationship. Doing so requires great integrity to one&#039;s spiritual path, and most especially to oneself. To do this &quot;in the name of&quot; my spiritual path would be coming from the traditional perspective and would likely have ended painfully as many conventional relationships do. But doing so with total integrity to our spiritual paths has resulted in a personal expansion for each of us that would have been hard to experience alone. (Similarly, that&#039;s how Tantra with a partner can be so powerful.)

Kitty, I love you LOVE you.

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An awesome, revealing post as always. I&#8217;ve felt your frustration over the distance from Pi for several months now. As I&#8217;ve benefited from the incredibly intense conversation with both of you during that time, I&#8217;m very glad to see that you two are able to engage more deeply. It&#8217;ll be a great benefit to the both of you, as Pi will help erode your attachments to concepts and you&#8217;ll help open him up to more fully enjoy the Relative world.</p>
<p>An interesting note that not too many people are aware of. The bulk of this post took place very late in the evening of February 13th and you and Z broke up early in the morning of February 14th, which just so happens to be my birthday. That very same morning, about 8 am, I was across town in bed with my fiancee having a very unusual conversation. I, too, do not recall the details of the conversation, but something in my words caused her to ask me if i was breaking up with her. Unlike Kitty, I said no, but I did acknowledge that I did not know if one could be in a committed relationship and fully take on the detachment required to become Liberated. Three weeks later I ended up breaking up with her so that Kitty and I could attempt to become Spiritual Partners with the understanding that our personal spiritual paths would take precedence over our newly formed relationship. While it might have seemed a naive prospect back then, we have shown that one can be in a committed, loving relationship and still burn through ourselves in our unraveling. IMNSHO, we are one of the most loving couples that I know of and yet we are genuinely more detached from each other than the myriad traditional couples out there.</p>
<p>What this post does not address, but she does address in other posts, is Kitty&#8217;s blind trust in moving forward by breaking up with Z without any understanding from me that I would do the same. By February 14th, Kitty and I had only known each other for five weeks and we had no explicit agreement or understanding that we would be breaking up with people whom we dearly loved in order to make this incredible new bond. She did so on her own volition and it was three weeks later before I parted ways with a woman that I was incredibly in love with. </p>
<p>From the outside it may appear that I left one woman for another and that she left Z for me, but Kitty and I know that the real story is about how we sacrificed two loving relationships for our SPIRITUAL PATHS, not to leave and have another traditional relationship. Doing so requires great integrity to one&#8217;s spiritual path, and most especially to oneself. To do this &#8220;in the name of&#8221; my spiritual path would be coming from the traditional perspective and would likely have ended painfully as many conventional relationships do. But doing so with total integrity to our spiritual paths has resulted in a personal expansion for each of us that would have been hard to experience alone. (Similarly, that&#8217;s how Tantra with a partner can be so powerful.)</p>
<p>Kitty, I love you LOVE you.</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magic of the moment.</description>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://poetkitty.com/2009/12/speaking-what-is-or-timing-is-everything-and-non-existent/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brilliant, as always, love! so super excited for all of your ventures... can&#039;t wait to CHAT with you, partner!!! love you. hugs to la familia ;)</description>
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